Option to ignore prefix indefinite articles when sorting

I’m not a native english speaker, but my impression is that whenever names are sorted in such a way that the definite article “the” in the beginning of a name is ignored, then the indefinite articles “a” and “an” in the beginning of a name are also ignored. This is how iTunes works for example.

However, they way this seems to work with movie names in Infuse 6.1.5 is that the sorting algorithm ignores the prefix definite article “the” but not the indefinite articles. I’m requesting you to change the algorithm to be in line with how article insensitive sorting typically works and ignore prefixes “a” and “an” also.

UPDATE:
I did some further (minimal) research into how movies are typically sorted by title, and it seems it’s not as clear cut as I had assumed:

trakt.tv
Ignores “the” but doesn’t ignore “a” or “an” (the same as Infuse currently)

imdb.com
Ignores none of the articles

letterboxd.com
metacritic.com
iTunes
Plex
All of these ignore all articles: “a”, “an”, “the”. Additionally, in iTunes and Plex the sorting behaviour is configurable (but by default all articles are ignored).

Based on this small sample, I would still lean toward changing the sorting algorithm in Infuse to match Plex and iTunes both because it appears to be the most common way to sort and because to me it seems the most sensible thing to do.

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It does bother me that (in the attached screenshot) those two movies that begin with an indefinite article are both listed at “A” instead of “G” (for girl) and “S” (for streetcar).

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I believe it was done that way to be consistent with Apple’s apps on ATV. Is that not the case? There are much fewer movies that start with “a” or “an” compared to “the” and I think in English it is easier to just drop “the” but not as much “a”/“an”.

Okay, it makes sense to be consistent with the platform you’re on. That was something I couldn’t test because I haven’t bought any movies beginning with “A” or “An” from Apple.

Another vote for ignoring “a” and “an” like “the” is ignored currently when sorted by title.

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A lot of movies starting with an articel and for now by sorting by Titel, the articel will be ignored.
So, for example “The Boy” will be found at letter B.
Why not let the User decide, if they want to have that or not.

Sorting by Foldername is not a good workaround. The most of other Player support that function as well. It would be great to have that option in infuse as well

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Infuse does the right thing by ignoring an initial “The” in titles, but not with “A” or “An”. I have about 40 movie titles that begin with the indefinite article that are all grouped under the letter A. Am I missing a setting?

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We all are missing this setting because Firecore decided long ago that the only leading article prominent enough to warrant ignoring when Sorting by Title is “The”.

Those of us who want all leading articles treated equally (meaning all three in English — “A”, “An”, and “The” — and their equivalents in other languages — Das, Die, El, Ja, La, Les, Los, etc.) were determined not a loud enough minority to be given a menu option which would enable fully correct title sorting.

I HATE this behavior of Infuse.

This is all the more frustrating because Sort by Filename … Doesn’t Sort by Filename (for either TV Series and Collections) so I can’t even bypass the issue by having Infuse simply follow my lead.

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I’d like this to be a thing, too, even if only as an option. It really seems weird to me that “the” is the only article that gets special treatment here.

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I really miss the opportunity to choose whether or not I’d like articles to be ignored.
For me it is natural to search for “The day after tomorrow” because that is what the movie is called, I would never search for it under the letter “d”. Unfortunately there is no option to just take the title as it is, it’s beginning with “the” so we ignore that by default and we can not change that behaviour. This in my eyes is bad customer support, for an app that has 100$ lifetime cost or monthly costs I would love to see the option on the customers hand.
Also I would highly disagree if other articles like A, An and translated other articles disappear too, so movies like “Die glorreichen 7” would change from “d” to “g” without any logic.

I don’t mind if you have it default vanishing articles in sorting by title, fine for me, but as there is a field for sorting title in my library which is used by infuse, let me sort there without any restrictions, if there is “The…” then I want it to be under “T” and nowhere else. For now I split “Th e” in my sorting title fields, which is annoying but atleast it gets me my movies under T where I expect them.
Hope this gets fixed anywhen, as this seems to persist since more than 4 years now…

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Well, that’s harsh. Every public library in the world sorts media by this logic. Without excluding leading articles, media libraries of any appreciable size would be absolute chaos. Using English language libraries as an example, you’d have 50 shelves of “The” titles sorted A-Z two thirds of the way through 200 shelves already sensibly sorted A-Z. At least 5 additional shelves of “A” titles and 2 more of “An”s.

If you didn’t find a title where you expected it to be, you’d have to walk to an entirely different part of the library to start over in case you or the person who shelved the book had gotten the title wrong.

Where would you look for Pink Floyd’s album “Dark Side of the Moon” in your local record store? If you know your stuff, you’ll look in the Ds. But lots of people mistakenly think the album is called “The Dark Side of the Moon” (sometimes even record store employees … heck, even record companies get it wrong) so they might have hidden it in the Ts. Ignore articles, and it’s always in the Ds! Easy!

BTW … if you really know your stuff, you’d look in the Ps. Under “Pink Floyd”. But you get my point. :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

I’m all in favor of you having the option to NOT ignore a leading “The”; as long as I finally get the option to also ignore “A”, “An”, and all their non-English equivalents. :+1:t3:

The leading “The” is properly / correctly sorted alphabetically in infuse, but not titles beginning with “A …” - This is definitely annoying and not proper English language sorting convention, no matter who does it that way.

Definitely this should be changed.

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I think we should at least be given the option, since so many users apparently prefer it this nonsensical way.

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Don’t forget that you need to click the like button on the first post in this thread to show your support for this suggestion! :wink:

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Thanks, didn’t know that!

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